Comments on: How to Forgive and Receive Forgiveness http://www.bestillknowgod.com Communicating with God and Hearing God's Voice Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:57:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Kathleen http://www.bestillknowgod.com/how-to-forgive-and-receive-forgiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-740 Kathleen Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:35:50 +0000 http://www.bestillknowgod.com/?page_id=1063#comment-740 Gene, thank you for your kind words and sharing a part of yourself that had experienced pain filled times that allowed you to understand me better. Interesting to me is that I learned to love through those who love me at a very young age through the eyes of a child and I get older I am learning to accept my spiritual side by confronting painful feelings throughout my life to find the spirituality I hope to find as an adult. My progress may be slow and I ask a lot of questions but I am grateful for each new day. Blessings to all. Gene, thank you for your kind words and sharing a part of yourself that had experienced pain filled times that allowed you to understand me better. Interesting to me is that I learned to love through those who love me at a very young age through the eyes of a child and I get older I am learning to accept my spiritual side by confronting painful feelings throughout my life to find the spirituality I hope to find as an adult. My progress may be slow and I ask a lot of questions but I am grateful for each new day.
Blessings to all.

]]> By: Robert http://www.bestillknowgod.com/how-to-forgive-and-receive-forgiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-736 Robert Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:06:26 +0000 http://www.bestillknowgod.com/?page_id=1063#comment-736 Gene, I have a two year old. I know what you mean about discipline. Several times after I've corrected her I've had to ask myself "Now why did I feel the need to correct that behavior?" Too many times it's just some old programming coming up. So now I watch out for it. She'll be just as warped as she is and will enjoy spiritual growth as we are! It's interesting to consider that our children are spiritual beings on the same journey as we are - which is exactly the way I see it. Robert Gene,

I have a two year old. I know what you mean about discipline. Several times after I’ve corrected her I’ve had to ask myself “Now why did I feel the need to correct that behavior?” Too many times it’s just some old programming coming up. So now I watch out for it.
She’ll be just as warped as she is and will enjoy spiritual growth as we are! It’s interesting to consider that our children are spiritual beings on the same journey as we are – which is exactly the way I see it.

Robert

]]> By: gene http://www.bestillknowgod.com/how-to-forgive-and-receive-forgiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-735 gene Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:27:59 +0000 http://www.bestillknowgod.com/?page_id=1063#comment-735 Robert Guilt is the worst emotion, it's a controlling negative wicked game we play with ourselves, we ask our selves whats wrong from right. guilt is suppose to keep us from doing wrong to others or to our selves, we pay for our consequences.I agree with that part, it's in our moral compass, but the negative side to this is, guilt can keep us from growth and instill fear or take our guilt and shift blame to others that are innocent by standards. I have two young girls at home and notice when I have to discipline them, there first reaction is to feel types of emotions like guilt, sadness and thinking I'm mean. There fragile and forming minds are learning how to develop coping responses to a uncomfortable emotion they are feeling at that moment. Me as a parent has to be very careful how to handle these emotions for I don't want to start a false pattern for them to follow the rest of there lives. So where does guilt fit in as we become adults? We learned from a young age the rewarding system such as clean your room and all the other chorse, you would be rewarded with cake or candy or etc. If you didn't follow the rules you might have gotten the belt or the foot up your back side. So are we so different from that little boy or girl that still lives with in us???? I'm 43 years old and raised from the old school blue collar family, did I turn out so bad I don't think so but I learned other and safer methods that I apply for my children. I was also raised to fear gods wrath if I stepped out side of the religion box as you put it ( I like that saying ) I'm still wrestling with this one. I know in my soul that it's wrong but have to fight that old belief behavior. God takes alot of blame from us if we like to admit it or not. (Guilt pays no dividends) This topic is interesting to me I am not blaming up bring or conditional values, I look now at the mechanics of guilt and where does it come from when there is no reason to feel guilt. Is it a demon, subconscious, negative, darkness or the devil but I know it's real I don't kid my self. Think what Job must of been feeling all his emotions going wild, what faith and through faith courage rises and when to submit. To Kathleen I to can relate to your issues with out getting detailed with you, having a alcoholic father and physical and mental abuse. My mother to was the submissive type to keep peace with in the family I look back and now see she was the strong one. Brought back some dark memories. I'm not telling you what to do or judging your situation but for me I would pray and pray and pray and still no relief of the pain I felt, so I decided to use one of gods tools a doctor very hard for me to do. Please and allow your self to be kind to your self and have compassion for your self you deserve it, because reading you post I can tell you have a lot of love and compassion in your soul and thats a gift, it's not you fault, your a survivor and that's not weakness that's strength the problem was not you it was his problem. GOD BLESS TO ALL GENE Robert
Guilt is the worst emotion, it’s a controlling negative wicked game we play with ourselves, we ask our selves whats wrong from right. guilt is suppose to keep us from doing wrong to others or to our selves, we pay for our consequences.I agree with that part, it’s in our moral compass, but the negative side to this is, guilt can keep us from growth and instill fear or take our guilt and shift blame to others that are innocent by standards. I have two young girls at home and notice when I have to discipline them, there first reaction is to feel types of emotions like guilt, sadness and thinking I’m mean. There fragile and forming minds are learning how to develop coping responses to a uncomfortable emotion they are feeling at that moment. Me as a parent has to be very careful how to handle these emotions for I don’t want to start a false pattern for them to follow the rest of there lives. So where does guilt fit in as we become adults? We learned from a young age the rewarding system such as clean your room and all the other chorse, you would be rewarded with cake or candy or etc. If you didn’t follow the rules you might have gotten the belt or the foot up your back side. So are we so different from that little boy or girl that still lives with in us???? I’m 43 years old and raised from the old school blue collar family, did I turn out so bad I don’t think so but I learned other and safer methods that I apply for my children. I was also raised to fear gods wrath if I stepped out side of the religion box as you put it ( I like that saying ) I’m still wrestling with this one. I know in my soul that it’s wrong but have to fight that old belief behavior. God takes alot of blame from us if we like to admit it or not. (Guilt pays no dividends) This topic is interesting to me I am not blaming up bring or conditional values, I look now at the mechanics of guilt and where does it come from when there is no reason to feel guilt. Is it a demon, subconscious, negative, darkness or the devil but I know it’s real I don’t kid my self. Think what Job must of been feeling all his emotions going wild, what faith and through faith courage rises and when to submit.
To Kathleen I to can relate to your issues with out getting detailed with you, having a alcoholic father and physical and mental abuse. My mother to was the submissive type to keep peace with in the family I look back and now see she was the strong one. Brought back some dark memories. I’m not telling you what to do or judging your situation but for me I would pray and pray and pray and still no relief of the pain I felt, so I decided to use one of gods tools a doctor very hard for me to do. Please and allow your self to be kind to your self and have compassion for your self you deserve it, because reading you post I can tell you have a lot of love and compassion in your soul and thats a gift, it’s not you fault, your a survivor and that’s not weakness that’s strength the problem was not you it was his problem.
GOD BLESS TO ALL GENE

]]> By: Robert http://www.bestillknowgod.com/how-to-forgive-and-receive-forgiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-731 Robert Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:10:41 +0000 http://www.bestillknowgod.com/?page_id=1063#comment-731 Kathleen, Guilt is one of the lowest emotions we can experience - and a "guilt trip" will take us nowhere but down. Even the normal belief in Jesus taking all our guilt away doesn't clear it out for us. That's one of the problems with "normal Christianity". I believe that <strong>true</strong> belief in Jesus is much more - and it eliminates that guilt completely. After all isn't guilt a by-product of jugment? The key is to get out of judment, forgive and accept forgiveness. <strong>John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. (KJV)</strong> There is no guilt in salvation. Praise God! Robert Kathleen,

Guilt is one of the lowest emotions we can experience – and a “guilt trip” will take us nowhere but down. Even the normal belief in Jesus taking all our guilt away doesn’t clear it out for us.
That’s one of the problems with “normal Christianity”.

I believe that true belief in Jesus is much more – and it eliminates that guilt completely. After all isn’t guilt a by-product of jugment? The key is to get out of judment, forgive and accept forgiveness.

John 12:47
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. (KJV)

There is no guilt in salvation. Praise God!

Robert

]]> By: Kathleen http://www.bestillknowgod.com/how-to-forgive-and-receive-forgiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-723 Kathleen Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:47:20 +0000 http://www.bestillknowgod.com/?page_id=1063#comment-723 Hi Robert I have been writing about forgiveness that surrounds realistic and unrealistic guilt for a while now and conclude I am very stuck and self forgiveness seems to be the bridge I am not able to cross completely. Realistic guilt gives me an unforgiving attitude towards myself. Unrealistic guilt keeps me a prisioner of my past. I was married to an abusive man who drank, gambled and collected many guns. I lived in a state of denial hopeing/praying for 29 years that our marriage would someday be a happy one. I remember times in our marriage when I felt overwhelmed with feelings of despair. I thought about suicide 3 different times and these thoughts were very powerful. I wanted so badly to give up on me letting go of the shame and guilt I could not quiet or forgive, I felt isolated and I had no one to talk to and saying good-bye just felt like the right thing to do, I was stuck in a life surrounded by feelings of desperation and I felt hopeless/helpless, I was afraid to share these feeling and I was more afraid of finding that no one cared. Sometimes I still question why I am still here or what made me stay? It was hard for me to recover each time I thought about suicide and I feel very ashamed and very real guilt for having those thoughts. I stayed close to my children to protect them but I put my marriage first out of fear and the love I shared with my children felt rationed. . I am divorced now but the scars and feelings of the submissive and weak wife I became during my marriage are still very painful. I seem to lack the ability to stay in the present moment of now and without getting pulled back into the feelings of my past. My painful memories are triggered unexpectedly from a word, a place and sometimes when someone is just kidding around. My triggers affect how I trust, respond and relate to others. I have been able to forgive my husband for the unkind ways he treated me and I hold no anger in my heart towards him. Forgiving myself and letting go of my past feels impossible and I don’t know what is keeping me so stuck. Perhaps confronting more of those feelings is still too frightening for me. Thank you for writing this article, it has given me much to think about. Kathleen Hi Robert

I have been writing about forgiveness that surrounds realistic and unrealistic guilt for a while now and conclude I am very stuck and self forgiveness seems to be the bridge I am not able to cross completely. Realistic guilt gives me an unforgiving attitude towards myself. Unrealistic guilt keeps me a prisioner of my past.
I was married to an abusive man who drank, gambled and collected many guns. I lived in a state of denial hopeing/praying for 29 years that our marriage would someday be a happy one. I remember times in our marriage when I felt overwhelmed with feelings of despair. I thought about suicide 3 different times and these thoughts were very powerful. I wanted so badly to give up on me letting go of the shame and guilt I could not quiet or forgive, I felt isolated and I had no one to talk to and saying good-bye just felt like the right thing to do, I was stuck in a life surrounded by feelings of desperation and I felt hopeless/helpless, I was afraid to share these feeling and I was more afraid of finding that no one cared. Sometimes I still question why I am still here or what made me stay? It was hard for me to recover each time I thought about suicide and I feel very ashamed and very real guilt for having those thoughts. I stayed close to my children to protect them but I put my marriage first out of fear and the love I shared with my children felt rationed. .
I am divorced now but the scars and feelings of the submissive and weak wife I became during my marriage are still very painful. I seem to lack the ability to stay in the present moment of now and without getting pulled back into the feelings of my past. My painful memories are triggered unexpectedly from a word, a place and sometimes when someone is just kidding around. My triggers affect how I trust, respond and relate to others. I have been able to forgive my husband for the unkind ways he treated me and I hold no anger in my heart towards him. Forgiving myself and letting go of my past feels impossible and I don’t know what is keeping me so stuck. Perhaps confronting more of those feelings is still too frightening for me.

Thank you for writing this article, it has given me much to think about.

Kathleen

]]> By: gene http://www.bestillknowgod.com/how-to-forgive-and-receive-forgiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-721 gene Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:30:56 +0000 http://www.bestillknowgod.com/?page_id=1063#comment-721 Robert, Thanks so much for the response back, I got so much out of that. To share for me is a form of worship, a divine driven rippling effect for others and regeneration of the spirit. I was never the type to share until I lost my false provoto and turned my life to Jesus and he has taken me on a incredible journey which is spirit driven god bless gene Robert,
Thanks so much for the response back, I got so much out of that. To share for me is a form of worship, a divine driven rippling effect for others and regeneration of the spirit. I was never the type to share until I lost my false provoto and turned my life to Jesus and he has taken me on a incredible journey which is spirit driven

god bless gene

]]> By: Robert http://www.bestillknowgod.com/how-to-forgive-and-receive-forgiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-720 Robert Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:32:22 +0000 http://www.bestillknowgod.com/?page_id=1063#comment-720 Gene, I reckon you can get a little personal with me - after all these things are very personal aren't they? Most people don't ever discuss them - which may be one of the reasons for the lack of comments here! But that's ok! It takes awhile for people to become comfortable talking about real stuff - isn't that strange? Just the way we are. I don't want to dissapoint but I don't feel anything strange or unique really. I do sense peace and stillness. Part of that is because I still myself - but there's a point where spirit takes over which allows for a more complete stillness where your mind is receptive to God's thoughts and impressions. What happens for me is like a flood of thoughts coming in one right after the other. Writing it all down is almost impossible - but sometimes I try it anyway! I find that it comes unexpectedly now too - such as when I'm typing an email response to a question. Then it's like I can't get it out fast enough. Another thing I'm finding is that instead of words I get these impressions - I don't know what else to call it. It's like a complete thought but putting it into words to share with others isn't so easy. Does this make sense? Bodily or physically I feel energized. Kind of like after a jolt of caffeine - but without the jitters. The thought comes just now - of King David dancing before the Lord - I wonder if he was experiencing a similar feeling - If I'm sitting I sometimes have to get up and walk around - haven't taken to dancing yet..... :) Interesting point you make about forgiveness being an ego response. I see what you mean. For awhile I felt that forgiveness was only a God thing and that we didn't need to ask for it or give it. That was kind of egoic as well. From the spiritual perspective we're better served to live from a frame of forgiveness - I believe that's what Jesus did and that's why He was able to do what He did. Jesus lived from the perspective of "You're forgiven" - didn't matter if an offense occurred or not. When we radiate the spirit of forgiveness we're living like Jesus. We're not looking for offense but if something should occur that could be interpreted that way - it's already forgiven so it never becomes a problem. This idea is difficult to put into words. It's a way of living that puts no emphasis or judgment on physical events or situations - and it frees the soul. This is the essence of true belief in Christ - and is far removed from the judgmental attitude of most forms of Christianity. Thanks Gene for your thought prompting comments. I don't know if you all realize this.... I find that when I'm responding to your private messages or comments on this blog that God is very near and gives me thoughts that have never come to me before. I trust it's the same for you all as well. That's one of the beauties of this format! Our God is AWESOME! Blessings, Robert Gene,

I reckon you can get a little personal with me – after all these things are very personal aren’t they? Most people don’t ever discuss them – which may be one of the reasons for the lack of comments here! But that’s ok! It takes awhile for people to become comfortable talking about real stuff – isn’t that strange? Just the way we are.

I don’t want to dissapoint but I don’t feel anything strange or unique really. I do sense peace and stillness. Part of that is because I still myself – but there’s a point where spirit takes over which allows for a more complete stillness where your mind is receptive to God’s thoughts and impressions. What happens for me is like a flood of thoughts coming in one right after the other. Writing it all down is almost impossible – but sometimes I try it anyway! I find that it comes unexpectedly now too – such as when I’m typing an email response to a question. Then it’s like I can’t get it out fast enough. Another thing I’m finding is that instead of words I get these impressions – I don’t know what else to call it. It’s like a complete thought but putting it into words to share with others isn’t so easy. Does this make sense? Bodily or physically I feel energized. Kind of like after a jolt of caffeine – but without the jitters. The thought comes just now – of King David dancing before the Lord – I wonder if he was experiencing a similar feeling – If I’m sitting I sometimes have to get up and walk around – haven’t taken to dancing yet….. :)

Interesting point you make about forgiveness being an ego response. I see what you mean. For awhile I felt that forgiveness was only a God thing and that we didn’t need to ask for it or give it. That was kind of egoic as well. From the spiritual perspective we’re better served to live from a frame of forgiveness – I believe that’s what Jesus did and that’s why He was able to do what He did. Jesus lived from the perspective of “You’re forgiven” – didn’t matter if an offense occurred or not. When we radiate the spirit of forgiveness we’re living like Jesus. We’re not looking for offense but if something should occur that could be interpreted that way – it’s already forgiven so it never becomes a problem. This idea is difficult to put into words. It’s a way of living that puts no emphasis or judgment on physical events or situations – and it frees the soul. This is the essence of true belief in Christ – and is far removed from the judgmental attitude of most forms of Christianity.

Thanks Gene for your thought prompting comments. I don’t know if you all realize this…. I find that when I’m responding to your private messages or comments on this blog that God is very near and gives me thoughts that have never come to me before. I trust it’s the same for you all as well. That’s one of the beauties of this format!

Our God is AWESOME!

Blessings,

Robert

]]> By: gene http://www.bestillknowgod.com/how-to-forgive-and-receive-forgiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-719 gene Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:10:23 +0000 http://www.bestillknowgod.com/?page_id=1063#comment-719 Robert, If I can get a little personal with you. what exactly do you experience or feel while god communicates with you, I'm curious, because when I first felt gods presents it scared me at first it was almost from a different dimension hard to explain the feeling not from this world. I do know absolutely for sure it was a feeling of peace and a main line connection from a higher power ( my maker ) also you explained your message perfectly, I know where your going with it. This topic has many comparables to ecclesiastics to me, which is one of my favorite books. Quote: is it meaningless under the sun?????????? I've also went to other resources and philosophies on forgiveness I have to add on the topic forgiveness, it is such a ego driven response, think about it. If you hurt someone or you've been hurt, our first line of defence is I lost respect for that person or situation and what is respect any way it's a ego and judgemental illusion against our own individual moral in compass. So are we honest enough with our selves that we can completely forgive or if we are capable of it in the flesh. We've wrestled with this topic at bible study quit often, it was interesting to see everybody's opinion and view as we all went deeper down the rabbit hole with this topic. god bless gene Robert,
If I can get a little personal with you. what exactly do you experience or feel while god communicates with you, I’m curious, because when I first felt gods presents it scared me at first it was almost from a different dimension hard to explain the feeling not from this world. I do know absolutely for sure it was a feeling of peace and a main line connection from a higher power ( my maker ) also you explained your message perfectly, I know where your going with it. This topic has many comparables to ecclesiastics to me, which is one of my favorite books.
Quote: is it meaningless under the sun??????????
I’ve also went to other resources and philosophies on forgiveness
I have to add on the topic forgiveness, it is such a ego driven response, think about it. If you hurt someone or you’ve been hurt, our first line of defence is I lost respect for that person or situation and what is respect any way it’s a ego and judgemental illusion against our own individual moral in compass. So are we honest enough with our selves that we can completely forgive or if we are capable of it in the flesh. We’ve wrestled with this topic at bible study quit often, it was interesting to see everybody’s opinion and view as we all went deeper down the rabbit hole with this topic.

god bless gene

]]> By: Does God Really Hear Me? http://www.bestillknowgod.com/how-to-forgive-and-receive-forgiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-718 Does God Really Hear Me? Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:47:09 +0000 http://www.bestillknowgod.com/?page_id=1063#comment-718 [...] If not they're not serving you.  You may even wish to repent of those thoughts.  Read some thoughts on forgiveness and repentance. [...] [...] If not they're not serving you.  You may even wish to repent of those thoughts.  Read some thoughts on forgiveness and repentance. [...]

]]> By: Robert http://www.bestillknowgod.com/how-to-forgive-and-receive-forgiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-716 Robert Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:33:21 +0000 http://www.bestillknowgod.com/?page_id=1063#comment-716 Gene, Forgiveness is a huge topic. Books have been written on the subject. What Christianity taught me about forgiveness left a lot of questions. Those of you who are getting to know me will know that I'm not satisfied with anything that doesn't work. Forgiveness wasn't working for me and I spent some time reading other works - which helped but still didn't provide the answers I sought. That which God has shared with me is what I share with you all. It's not always easy either. It's difficult to put into words the impressions on spirit that God gives. It's there for me - and it's crystal clear - but to transfer that clarity to another - that's difficult. That is why I encourage all to learn to communicate with God for yourself. Blessings, Robert Gene,

Forgiveness is a huge topic. Books have been written on the subject.
What Christianity taught me about forgiveness left a lot of questions. Those of you who are getting to know me will know that I’m not satisfied with anything that doesn’t work. Forgiveness wasn’t working for me and I spent some time reading other works – which helped but still didn’t provide the answers I sought.
That which God has shared with me is what I share with you all. It’s not always easy either. It’s difficult to put into words the impressions on spirit that God gives. It’s there for me – and it’s crystal clear – but to transfer that clarity to another – that’s difficult. That is why I encourage all to learn to communicate with God for yourself.

Blessings,

Robert

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